Out of Range #024: Live from Los Angeles Transcript

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Dave: It is on! Hey, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the very first Out of Range Live presented by Companion Medical.

[applause]

Thank you all for being here. I want to make sure I get all of the rest of the sponsors right. Today's show is also sponsored by MyID, Genteel, Sugar Medical, Glucose SOS. There's free stuff over there, go avail yourself of it. How is everyone doing?

Audience: Good.

Dave: Okay. There's room for improvement. How's everyone doing?

Audience: [louder] Good!

Dave: Good. My name is Dave Holmes, I am a type 1 diabetic. I was diagnosed in 2015-2016, something like that. And the two things, aside from the mountain of stuff that my endocrinologist told me, the two big takeaways were don't drive under 100 and find a community. A couple of weeks ago I was driving to an appointment in MacArthur Park area and I felt a little strange when I showed up at the appointment and I looked at my watch, which my Dexcom talks to, and I was like 70 and dropping. I was like, "Okay. Well, I'll take care of this." I parked. And I had a couple of little Jelly Babies and then went in and had my little appointment.

Then I came back out 20 minutes later at a healthy range and I thought, "I have beat type 1 diabetes. This is fine, I got it." I got back out to the street. At 70 and dropping, I had parked my car fully in a lane of traffic. On Parkview just off of Wilshire, in the street. I didn't park so much as just like stop driving and get out of the car.

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There was a meter and there was my car and they were in the same city, but that's where the relationship ended. And I fed it, which is the thing.

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So "don't drive under 100" is something that I just learned. The other thing, find a community, is something that I did right away. I was lucky enough to go to a meet-up like somewhere in West LA or something, where I met a young man by the name of Craig Stubing, who was just putting Type One Run together. And through that and through Craig's work doing the Beta Cell podcast which has become the Out of Range podcast, which has become the Thicker Than Water podcast, I have built a community and I have really learned how to live in a healthy way.

Community has been wildly important to me. It's not an exaggeration to say that it really saved my life. Beta CellOut of RangeThicker Than Water are really important podcasts and I'm so glad that you guys are here to see the first-ever live one. Let's get it started, ladies and gentlemen. Please welcome Craig and Laura.

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Craig: Welcome back to Out of Range Live presented by Companion Medical. I'm Craig.

Laura: I'm Laura.

Craig: We were talking just now backstage about why we decided to start this show. It's been a little while, two years something like that?

Laura: Something like that.

Craig: I had been doing Beta Cell for a while, and we had been friends for a while, and then for some reason we decided we needed a talk show.

Laura: Well, we were talking about how there are so many diabetes podcasts but they're all interview podcasts, which is great.

Craig: Yeah, and that's what I was doing.

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Laura: There just needed to be something more.

Craig: Well, I think what it stemmed from was what Dave was saying: you meet another type 1 and you just start talking about things like, "Oh, what do you use? Do you use a pump? Do you use a pen? Do you use a Dexcom? What do you do when you run? What do you do when you eat pasta?”

That's a little conversation and that's like a little podcast episode that happens in a bar or it happens at a walk event or something like that. We were like, "We could talk about those things and share those with people who aren't having those conversations or should be having those conversations.” Then our very first episode started out of something that pissed us off, which I think was kind of like griping. Right?

Laura: Yeah, we were a little ranty in that episode.

Craig: Not that we aren't now.

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But we were complaining about people showing off their A1Cs on Instagram. We were like, "Why are people doing that?"

Laura: Specifically in their bio.

Craig: Really we just started a podcast where we can complain and make everyone listen to us and then agree with us.

Laura: Then people loved it.

Craig: Yeah, you’re here. Thank you for coming. We have some amazing guests on tonight. We have a surprise game a little bit later and then we have a musical performance. Before we get started though, I just want to say that our podcast is on your phone, it's online, it's free. Everyone can listen to it. But for something like this in a space with chairs, with signs, we have sponsors. It's the first time we've ever had sponsors.

Laura: We're moving up.

Craig: So for the first time, we're going to have some ads, they’re going to run throughout. If we start saying ads in the middle of nothing, we've not been possessed, we've not been reprogrammed. This is part of the scheduled programming. We're going to start with one right now, and then we're going to get going.

Laura: Let's do this.

Craig: Laura, you've had low blood sugars recently. How are you feeling going into our first live show?

Laura: Come on, Craig, you know that because I'm on shots it's really easy for me to get a little crazy stacking my insulin.

Craig: Well, if you had the InPen from Companion Medical, it would keep track of how much insulin you have on board by automatically logging every dose you give with their smart insulin pen. It would recommend how much insulin you should give when you bolus by using your specific insulin therapy settings, current BG, and how many carbs you plan to eat.

Laura: Okay, oh my gosh, I'm ordering one right now. Where can I find it?

Craig: Check them out at companionmedical.com.

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Now I'd like to invite Andrew, Brec, and Jennifer, come on up.

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Brec: That ad worked, I really want one now.

Craig: How's everyone feeling?

Andrew Slyfox: Good.

Jennifer: Good.

Craig: Have you ever done anything like this with diabetes before?

Jennifer: Nope, you guys?

Andrew: Never.

Brec: Yes.

Craig: Okay, what was it like?

Brec: I went to that conference they do every year, JDRF does in Washington. So it was similar, we did a question-and-answer.

Jennifer: Oh, I did that just this year.

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Oh my gosh. No, I did that this year. What day is it? Who am I? What's happening?

Craig: What was the audience for that like? Who were you talking to?

Brec: A bunch of diabetics.

Craig: Okay.

Jennifer: When you did it, was it-- Because I know with JDRF it's a lot of kids, was the audience like a cacophony of just like—

Brec: Dexcoms?

Jennifer: I loved it, that was my favorite part. It was a bunch of T1Ds and so it just sounded like beeper madness.

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It was pumps going off and Dexcom going off and people opening packages of candy. It was the best.

Craig: I know all of you. You guys have just met for the first time as far as I know, just before this. For people who don't know who you are, you want to give me a little pitch or do you want me to pitch who you are?

Brec: Pitch me, I want to hear it.

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Craig: So Brec, here, you were diagnosed at eight years old, you began acting at 13 years old.

Brec: Correct.

Craig: You moved out to Los Angeles from Texas. You starred on The Haunted Hathaways, then you starred on Bella and the Bulldogs. Now you are filming, still filming for Stargirl?

Brec: I just wrapped about a week ago. Here's where I'll promo myself: DC Stargirl which is going to be a new DC show.

Craig: Awesome.

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Brec: Not only that, I have to say this because it’s really, really cool because there's a group of five superheroes on the show and not one but two of us are type 1 diabetics. So we really are superheroes, it's pretty cool.

Craig: Who's the other one?

Brec: Cameron Gellman.

Craig: Okay. There's that, did you have any idea going in that he had type 1?

Brec: It's so funny. He had filmed something with my friend previously and I had this friend like, "I want to connect you guys. I think y’all be friends. He's diabetic, y’all could go to the walk together." I was like, "Okay."

So I had his number in my phone, because he had texted me, asked me if I was going to the JDRF Walk. I ended up not being able to go that year. And so when I met him and I went to save his phone number, I already had his number in my phone. I'm like, "Wait, what?" And then we connected that. I knew him but I didn't know I knew him because I'd never met him but, yes.

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Craig: That's really cool. Jennifer…

Jennifer: Yes?

Craig: You were diagnosed at 20 years old.

Jennifer: Yes, that is also correct.

Craig: You're the oldest one the five of us diagnosed.

Jennifer: Yeah, I was a late bloomer.

Craig: But you started acting at six. You've been acting much more longer than you've had type 1. You still act, but recently you've transitioned to nursing school.

Jennifer: Yeah, I'm doing both now. That's why I don't know what week it is.

Brec: It makes sense now.

Jennifer: Yeah.

Craig: Which is more stressful? Acting or nursing school?

Jennifer: Nursing school for sure, because acting they're like, "Do you need anything? Are you okay?" With nursing school I'm like, "Do you need anything? Are you okay?" So it's very humbling and it’s a nice balance. It's a very nice balance of this like strange land with acting and the entertainment industry and then the real world of like, "They're having a stroke. Let's have them not die today." It's a nice balance of universes, I guess.

Craig: Do you think nursing school was because, in some degree, of type 1?

Jennifer: Absolutely. I mean there's a thousand reasons I wanted to go into nursing, because I was a psych major and was ready to transfer to UCLA, and I switched to nursing when I was diagnosed because I wanted to understand my body better. I noticed a discrepancy in health care providers and a lack of empathy and understanding of diabetes. Still, I'm the go to of knowledge when it comes to diabetes. They always look at me, when there's a diabetes question I'm like, "I'm not the teacher."

Laura: "You should know this."

Jennifer: Yes, right. It definitely was a big part of me switching and it's why I'm such an old graduate.

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Craig: Do you feel like you know more than the teachers when it comes to type 1? Do you think that gives you some insight?

Jennifer: I don't want to be disrespectful and say that, but I think living with it on a day to day basis gives you a different experience than just clinical knowledge. Because I know we were given recently, we had an experience with a diabetes educator, and I was asking questions that she didn't know. Which is upsetting.

It's upsetting when you're like, "Okay, you're the diabetes educator for this entire hospital, and it's a good hospital, but you don't know these things?" She's like telling me about my disease like, "You must be in the honeymoon period." I'm like, "Oh my God, 6 years later, really?" Longest honeymoon period of all time. Anyway, so sometimes, yeah.

Craig: I think that speaks a lot to why things like this are important because you can get that sort of clinical knowledge, but how that actually translates into the real world is very different. Meeting someone and talking to them about, "Oh, this is what you eat before you run. Or this is what you do with your basal. Do you bolus when you're running?” That's more useful than just the textbook—

Jennifer: Sorry to cut you off, that's how my family communicate, so I can never shut it off. And then, I'll shut up.

Andrew: You're good. This is intriguing.

Jennifer: Even at patients' bedside, I'm constantly learning new things about just what works for different diabetics, type 1 and type 2. I mean, I'm constantly learning as well.

Craig: That's a good segway for Andrew. You were diagnosed at 14 years old.

Andrew: Yes.

Craig: You have said before that you knew one person at the time with type 1. Who was that person?

Andrew: It was a guy named Mark Compton who went to my highschool with me. Complete different spectrums of who we are, who we were. Back then, I was in emo-bands. Back then.

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Jennifer: You? No.

Andrew: Right. He was very book smart. We had that connection, but he definitely didn't want to be my friend. Because we hung with very different groups, you know what I mean? But we passed and said, "Hey man, how are you doing?" So there was that connection still. After high school, I never really saw or met hardly anyone, very random. Until six months ago, actually.

The funny thing is, what you were saying. My endo, she's very good mathematically. She can look at my numbers and like say all these things and I'm like, "What? Okay, so what am I supposed to do? Can you just take my pump please and just do it? I don't understand." "Well, I need to show you." "Okay, but you still don't get it. I don't know what you just did." It's funny because for 21 years, I didn't really grow or learn a whole lot during that entire period because I kind of isolated myself as well. Just kind of like, "This is my thing." And just go with it and kind of ignore it even though it was like for so long.

Until I actually met, it was cool when you were talking about the community, actually Laura was one of the very first to actually bring me into the community, which was great. Then, all of a sudden, my diabetes knowledge and experience and management went from like here where it stayed mediocre for a lot of years, and I was like, "Oh, that exists. That exists. That exists."

Laura: Yeah, you came to Chicago.

Andrew: Chicago. It was the first time that-- Actually, I have a video that is going to be releasing soon on YouTube for that. It's pretty crazy, in Chicago I met I can't even tell you how many.

Laura: That was a big one.

Andrew: That was a big one. There was a lot of pump and-

Laura: I don't know.

Andrew: Dexcom beeping and sugars dropping.

Laura: Everyone was like, who is that?

Andrew: Every table had a little bowl of candy. I was like, "This is amazing."

Laura: You had to be prepared.

Andrew: Diabetic paradise.

Craig: You mentioned YouTube.

Andrew: Yes.

Craig: Your family are YouTubers.

Andrew: Yes, we are full time.

Craig: I guess this sort of gets us kicked-off. You're doing all these videos about your family, at what point do you say, "I should mention type 1." Because to us, to people with type 1, it's 24/7. We're always thinking about it. You wake in the middle of the night, the first thought is, "What's my blood sugar? Am I okay? Am I sweating because it's hot or am I sweating because I'm low?" But then when you're filming your life, no one is going to watch 24/7 Andrew Blood Sugar Channel. No offense.

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Laura: It's just your Dexcom graph the whole time.

Andrew: Just watch this, 24 hours.

Craig: At what point is it, "Oh, I'm making dinner, this is how many carbs in this meal? Or we're choosing cauliflower rice tonight because it's lower carb."

Laura: Do you talk about it?

Andrew: In my family channel, I do. The funny thing is, like I told you guys, I kind of kept it quiet for so many years. Just kind of, my insulin pump is on my thigh down here, I would keep it in places that people just couldn't see and didn't really bring it up. Like at all. I was kind of embarrassed almost to mention it. Which kind of sucks to be honest. But over the like six-months, it's really picked up a lot more. Where now, I'm just like, "Yay, free to be me!" It's just everywhere, arms, I'd do a double-arms sight, there's no way to hide it

But that's a great question. I want to say this first, I wish I would have been doing it more because when I got to Chicago, and I met a bunch of other type 1s, they had already found me. They had already found me and they were telling me stories about, "Oh when you did this video, when you went to Mexico and your insulin pump, you tried to change it on the plane as you were landing.” Something with the altitude, I don’t know what it was, that thing poured blood.

Like people had to come out here, they weren't speaking English, and I was freaking out. There was blood. We're talking like I was dying. It was pouring, it was nasty. Anyway, never had that happen before. That whole situation happened, and I filmed it because I was click-baity, YouTubey kind of stuff back then, I was like, "I'll get views on it." And it's like five million views or something crazy. The simple fact that I actually mentioned it and showed that crazy weird side of sometimes things unexpected happened with diabetes meant a lot to other type 1s out there. Then, hearing that, empowered me and meant a lot to me and I realized: oh even my tiny little part that I can offer, other people out there dealing with the same thing that I'm dealing with is enough to try to be more deliberate on, more intentional on bringing it up and mentioning it. Like you said, because that's the natural easy to do it is, "We're getting ready to make this food right here." I'll show all the time: there's this many carbs in this, there's this many carbs in this, which equals 15 or 30 carbs or whatever it is going to be. Sometimes 75 carbs.

Then I'll be like, "Okay, cool." Then that's kind of it on that family channel because it really is like you said. It started off with the four of us that you want to see the family dynamic, but they do love to see individually, like each one of us, especially that type 1 community. I do need to say, it just reminds me, I did meet at a couple of meet-ups, with people that come up and shake your hands and stuff, and then like the diabetics that met me were crying, I'm like, "Oh my Gosh, this is serious impact. I need to really be investing in this.”

Craig: You guys, what was it like when you, Jennifer, you came out because—I want to say came out as diabetic.

Jennifer: I full-on came out of the closet, for sure.

Craig: What prompted that? Did you just wake up one day and think, "I've been living with this, I just need to tell people."

Jennifer: I was cognizant of the fact that I was an actor and I never got into it because of attention that you get from it, fame, I hate that word. It's just something that comes with a certain level of success which I've been lucky to have. I was aware that that's involved. When I was first diagnosed, I really struggled with—I think you go through the stages of grief. For me technically I'm a type 1.5 and I'll be a full-fledged type 1 so don't kick me out guys.

Brec: What does that mean? I've never heard that before?

Jennifer: A lot of people haven’t and I had to go through several endos who told me, it took four years for me to figure out what kind of diabetes I had. What it means and this is why I was diagnosed so late and then I'll get off of the nursing science brain.

Brec: No I'm asking I'm so curious, I've never heard that.

Jennifer: What it means is, basically, I have all of the antibodies that eat the beta cells. They just do at a slower rate. So, eventually, I will be a full-fledged type 1, but because they are doing it at a slower rate, I was diagnosed later, I exhibit symptoms of type 2. Basically, I always joke that I get the crap from both. When I'm super high, I gain weight. When I was first, like you know how like typical type 1 sometimes when you're super high you lose weight? No. That doesn't happen to me.

When I was first diagnosed, I gained like 60 pounds in two months and I blew out my knees, my knees are still screwed up. Back to what you were asking, Craig, is I wanted to get to a point where I felt like I had a handle on it or somewhat of a handle on it so I could be an inspiration to people rather than people going, "Oh God, she's diabetic and that's what it looks like." I kind of went into hiding for the first four years when I was trying to figure out for myself because I didn't look well, I looked tired, I couldn't see.

People in auditions were like, "She's not really connecting," and I was like, "Yes, because I can't see." I am not connecting to you because I don't know where you are in the room. I just feel like blurry parts. There were times when they were asking me to cold read and I'm like, "I can't. I'll pretend like I can.”

Brec: “I can’t read the lines.”

Jennifer: “I can't see it.” It was really bad, the first four years were really bad.

I strategically waited because I wanted to be a source of inspiration for people instead of somebody that someone would look at and go, "God, there isn't any hope," because there is a lot of days that I think we all have like that. They just feel really hopeless and really frustrating. I wanted to be the antithesis of that, so I waited until I felt like I had a good handle on it.

Craig: Do you guys ever feel, everyone, a certain pressure to only show good things or not show the really bad things? You post when you're like 30 with a down arrow and you're just like—yeah?

Andrew: I think it's really important to show that. For me, I started following a T1D recently. He’s saying some really interesting things, which, I think he's right. There's truth to some of the things that he's saying but it's also really depressing and discouraging. The other day it was like, basically, “Diabetes can get really easy once you understand it.” I think that diabetes can be very finicky once you understand it.

Brec: Yeah, I was like “I disagree with that.”

Andrew: Yes, it's an interesting thing.

Jennifer: This is coming from a diabetic?

Brec: Opinions.

Andrew: Yes, so it's those kinds of things that to me are like it's challenging, it's interesting. I think it's really important, like you said, to be as vulnerable and honest as possible because we are not alone. That's the whole thing I feel like. Wow, I used to feel so alone, now I don't feel alone. It's like, we get it.

Laura: That's why we started this show too. It's because we noticed, now we have social media and everyone curates their life but then there was the diabetes part of social media and then everyone is curating their disease. We're like, "Yes, these people are posting the numbers that they want you to see."

So let's talk about, because you can go on people's accounts now and that's not what having diabetes is like. This is what they want you think having diabetes is like. Let's start a show and talk about “real things diabetes” because it's just all fake. There is so much fakeness out there from people to speaking and choosing what they want to share with you about it.

Jennifer: To be honest, now that I think about it, I need to post more positive things.

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Because I'm always like, "God, this is so crappy. I should post about that."

Brec: No, it is. It is crappy. It sucks that we have this, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

Jennifer: Yes, but I mean, like a balance. So that people aren't like, "Well, she's just steps away from DKA all the time." You know what I mean?

Brec: Not as pessimistic, I get it.

Jennifer: It's like we always feel like the highs and low. It's become kind of a trite expression at this point, but I think showing the balance is nice. It blows my mind that anyone is putting their A1C on their bio. That's like such a douche move.

Laura: I mean, someone in this audience might have it.

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Brec: Let me go change my bio real quick. I’m kidding! I’m kidding!

Andrew: That's fine unless it's under five.

Laura: That’s exactly the problem.

Andrew: Right?

Jennifer: Okay, you got me good.

Laura: Craig and I said that we think you should put your time and range in your bio instead of your A1C if you're really going to put that information on there.

Brec: True, there was a time where I had such a good A1C and I kept saying that, "But guys my blood sugar really isn't good. It's high and low all the time," and it was completely just like the lows evening out the highs.

Laura: Exactly. That's exactly our point.

Andrew: That's whatever I think, whenever I see some of these that's really low like that, "Damn, they got a lot of lows going on." Like they’re out of balance.

Laura: You’re going low all the time.

Craig: Well, I guess the balance between what you're doing as positive and negative is almost for different audiences, is what I'm thinking. It's like for the people who are type 1, you want to post negative things almost because then if you're only posting when your blood sugar is always 100 and it's always good then they think, "Why am I doing such a crappy job?"

Andrew: Totally.

Craig: Then that's when you get depressed. I think that's what causes a lot of burnout. You see, it looks like everyone I follow is the perfect diabetic except me. When you're there scrolling your Instagram feed because you're low in the middle of night and you're waiting for your blood sugar to come up. Then on the other hand if all you post is negative things, all of your friends who don't have type 1 are just like, "Oh, Debbie Downer. There she is complaining about her diabetes again."

Jennifer: I think it's the challenging stuff with a sense of humor. That's always my favorite thing to post about it.

Brec: Something I've really struggled with is I always feel the need to apologize for my diabetes. I feel like it's almost selfish of them to be like, "Oh, they're complaining," because I always feel like, "Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry my blood sugar is low," but I really shouldn't have to apologize for it. It's not like I chose this.

Craig: And you're not actively trying to make yourself low.

Brec: No, I hate being low, it's the worst.

Laura: Just constantly giving yourself insulin.

Craig: Trying to get a press conference. It's like just go low and then I can bail out of that.

Brec: Although I do have to say, like some days when I'm in a bad mood and I just don't want with you I'm like, "Ugh, bad blood sugar can't come, sorry."

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Jennifer: I've definitely pulled that card.

Andrew: I need to use that.

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Jennifer: You haven't pulled that card yet?

Andrew: No.

Jennifer: I totally pull that card. I pull school and that card all the time. Although school is usually invalid. It's so refreshing to hear you say that you feel like you have to apologize all the time because I apologize all the time anyway just because that's how I was raised. My parents are from the South. I'm from Texas too, so what's up.

Brec: What’s up.

Jennifer: Yeah, I was raised to just apologize for getting up in the morning.

When I was diagnosed, it is this crazy thing. You apologize for something you can't control. I was on the ER the other day which I always have to say like I'm working, I'm not—I'm fine. I’m afraid to say that because people are like, "Are you okay?" I'm like, "Yeah, I'm fine." I was going low and I was so mad because it's like it's nonstop and so it slowed me down then I was like I'm so sorry, I'm low. I got to go and deal with this. I got to go and take insulin and I was so mad. I was like, "Why am I apologizing?" So thank you for saying that. That's very refreshing to hear.

Laura: It is funny we do that. If anyone said that to you, like if anyone said that to me like, "I'm so sorry my blood sugar," or something like, "I'm dealing with my health." I would never be like, “That's so annoying of you.” Why do we feel like we’re annoying?

Brec: I would never wish this upon someone.

Laura: If someone says, "I have a cold." You know what I mean? Anything about their health, I’d never be like, "How dare you?"

Jennifer: It feels like it's like a stop in the day or like an inconvenience to someone else.

Laura: A burden.

Andrew: Yes, it does. It can be an inconvenience for sure.

Jennifer: Yes, it's an interesting conversation.

Laura: I think it's a relatable feeling between diabetics.

Craig: Yes, I guess, Andrew, you having this YouTube channel where you're documenting your family life all the time. Do you think it ever becomes a burden on your family? Do you talk about that? Not to put you on the spot.

Andrew: Yes, that’s my family right there.

I've had that conversation with all of them individually, I think, and the kids are like, "No, I don't notice anything different." Because their whole life, they've just grown up with dad and dad does everything that all the other dads do. It's just like, I've got a little sugar packet that I just carry with me. Like this. It's like here, "Oh yeah, we're playing in the pool." And I go, “Oh, dang, hang on, [eating sound].” “Alright, we'll go back to playing, dad’s alright." I don't think it's affected too much there. It's obviously different in a marriage, it's definitely more of a, like you said, it's a lot more difficult, a lot more of a burden there, I would say, because that's when you really—

You're obviously with your spouse, you're a lot more like, we've been together married for 14 years and it's like, in the beginning, I was 21 years old and I wasn't really taking care of myself that well then, so it's like those highs, they were high, and those lows, they were really low. And I was discouraged all the time too because I was isolated to myself. I would definitely say we've had those conversations, they're better now because now I'm a lot more in control and positive and it's a really positive outlook on it now. I battle the hard stuff too. I battle the really bad days too, where I'm just like, “Screw this, I'm done. I'm not doing this now, I don't feel like doing it.”

But I think we all probably have those days sometimes and stuff. But, yes, we've definitely had those conversations and it's definitely been a burden at times. I think it's important to be very open and communicate with each other. With my wife, I think it's okay for her to sometimes be like, "Oh my gosh, your freaking diabetes." Because in reality, it is something that makes us late sometimes or it really does affect people around you too. Not that she's ever trashed on me for having diabetes, that's never happened, but the diabetes impact on the family's life definitely can be an inconvenience sometimes.

Craig: Brec, we were at a JDRF gala a couple of years ago and before the gala, you met in a room with a bunch of little kids who had type 1, you remember that?

Brec: Yes.

Craig: I don't want to embarrass you or anything, but they adored you. What does it feel like to you as an adult with type 1 meeting little kids? Do they ask you questions about type 1 what do you say to them?

Brec: It's so funny because just as much as they ask me questions, I ask them questions. I was saying this earlier, but literally, you said this earlier, every time I meet a diabetic I'm just like, I instantly start asking them because as much as I'm sure they want to know about my experience, I want to know about their experience because I always want to just learn more and I find it interesting how each body is different and how each body reacts. So, yes, if anything, I was asking them just as much.

Craig: Then in terms of that positive-negative thing, do you feel like, because you were having this role when you were on Bella and the Bulldogs, people saw you, people knew you had type 1. You do a lot of stuff with JDRF, you're all over their website as an advocate. Do you think about being a role model?

Brec: I remember, I was eight years old when I got diagnosed and I remember sitting in the hospital and, I may be exaggerating, if not the same year, like the same month that Nick Jonas got diagnosed and there was an article. And at that time, I still wanted to be an actor and my mom, she came in, she handed me the magazine, it was People Magazine. He was on the front holding a Diet Coke and I was like, "Oh mom, I can still be an actor and a diabetic." After that, I really owe a lot to my family because they kept it very positive. They always told me like, "There's nothing you can't do just because you have diabetes except fly a plane." But it's fine, I didn't want to do that anyway, so it's okay.

[laughter]

I definitely think I took that from them and having a younger audience, I took what my parents did to me and I do try to stay very positive around them and keep things more positive and then to my boyfriend and people that are a little older, I can be my negative like diabetic-self sometimes but I think finding that balance, I do try to keep it more positive just because my demographic is younger because I needed that. When I was eight years old, it was very enlightening to me.

Craig: Well, Jennifer, when you were diagnosed, your doctor said you could not act, right?

Laura: What?

Jennifer: Yes, in that fun four year period where they were like, "No, you're type 2, you're type 1, you're type 2, you're type 1." I'm like, "Just pick one. Please God, somebody pick one, give me a treatment, I'll do it, whatever.”

I won't name names even though I really want to. He had a medical student with him as well and he constantly was like, because I had a food diary, I had the whole thing, he constantly was like, "You're lying, you're lying. You've got to be lying." Because he took me off Metformin, which he never should have done because I was—

Laura: What did he think you were lying about?

Jennifer: He thought I was lying about that I was snacking and I was eating a bunch of stuff because my blood sugars were really high, but it was because he took me off Metformin, which is just something I have to be on. And because my blood sugars were so high, he got me like a month away from dialysis. Which I was like, "Thanks, man, great.” The last time I saw him, he had this medical student with him and I was there by myself. He looked at me and he goes, “You know what? You can't handle the stress of being in Los Angeles. You can't handle the stress of the business. You just need to go back to Texas and I don't know what you're going to do, but you can't act anymore, it's too much for you."

I started crying and he and the medical student just stood there and looked at me and as I cried in the room and it was pretty weird and awkward and then they walked out and didn't say anything and I just kept crying and I called my mom and she was like, "That's BS, we're fixing it." And she flew down and god bless her, she helped me find the endo I have now who's incredible and changed my life. She's the first one I was like, "No, you're insulin resistant, you have type 1.5. That's what this is. That doctor, I've worked with him before, he's an idiot, don't worry about it.”

[laughter]

I was like “thank you, but literally—”

Laura: Why are these people allowed to be—

Jennifer: I don't know. Believe me, especially being a nurse too, every time I see a doctor that's a good person and hasn't lost all of their social skills, I'm like, "Thank you." But there's so many of them that they're just a pod person. You're like, "How? You have the zero bedside manner." There's so many times even as a nursing student, I've had to go back in the room and pep the patient back up because they're just like, "Oh my god, my life's over." Because the doctor has zero bedside manner.

Thank god because the endo I have now literally said all the things like, "This is what you have, this is what we're going to do. That's crap.” Again, “You can do anything that you want to do." She said things my mom always had said and I was so frustrated that I couldn't get a medical professional to say those things. But if it weren't for him, I would have never gone to nursing school and for other endos and doctors and nurses like him. So thanks, man.

Laura: I hope he's listening to this.

Jennifer: I honestly don't care.

[laughter]

Craig: Well, so I guess that's similar to the opposite end of the Nick Jonas with the Diet Coke. It's if you three have your audiences or people who follow you, how do you talk about diabetes in a way that won't scare off the normal people? But then when someone else is diagnosed and then they go on and they see Brec with a Diet Coke, who’s not a sponsor of this show, and think, "Oh, I can do that too." How much of your life then ends up—we talked about this right before the show about how lots of people have their public non-diabetic persona and then their diabetic persona. So I guess you had that with your nonprofit.

Laura: Yes, I don't post anything about diabetes on my personal.

Craig: Yes, and then on your other page, it’s only diabetes—

Laura: I only post about diabetes.

Craig: I guess, Laura, like—

Laura: A lot of people have a type 1 Instagram and a personal Instagram. Why do we separate? Mine is different though, I don't think mine's a good example of that.

Craig: But a lot of people do.

Laura: I don't post about my diabetes on it.

Craig: No, you have though.

Laura: A lot of people do. I don't know, maybe it is that the thing about like feeling annoying. When I post anything about diabetes on my personal account anyway, I'm like, they don't care, they don't understand, so what's the point?

Brec: I disagree with that almost because my boyfriend, this sounds horrible, but like he loves my diabetes. Meaning, he thinks it's so cool that he knows about it and he knows what low blood sugar and like a high blood sugar is. I've always sounded like, when I'm picking my finger, people are always like, "What are you doing? What is that?" I think people find it really interesting, from my personal experience. I don't know how it's been with you guys.

Andrew: I would have to agree. For me, it's like if I don't share that awareness, half—I don't know, I couldn't even tell you how much of my following is type 1 versus what's not. I get people who are annoyed, "All you do is you post about diabetes," And I'm like, "Yep." Because it's such a big part of who I actually am and my Instagram specifically is who I really am, I share that and I want the people who don't know about diabetes to begin to understand diabetes. I want to make sure that I try to balance out. Like, obviously, they want to see me with a family that was how it was all built, but also diabetes is such a big part of that whole dynamic like we've already talked about.

Brec: You don't want someone to come to you and be like, "You can't eat that cake." “Yes, I can eat that cake.”

Andrew: And I still do.

[laughter]

Brec: But making awareness—

Andrew: And I always will.

Brec: —making awareness around it so people know, "Thank you for bringing me the chicken, but I really want the cake."

Andrew: I feel like people can also just really connect and relate when you're honest about something that you deal with that's heavy like a disease or something like this. Yes, I totally get on the branding side and the consistency side of growing and marketing to like: everything goes on this channel and everything different goes on this channel, I totally get that too of how that separation where we feel very freeing to where it's like, "I can just be me outside of diabetes on this side and this side's all the diabetes stuff." I get both perspectives, but for me, I think that I like to share the awareness with people who aren't familiar.

Brec: You made a face when you were like, "I don't really post anything on my personal Instagram." Maybe I read into it, but you wish you did. In your defense—

Laura: Like I wish I posted diabetes things on my personal?

Brec: No, you just made a face, but diabetes is like, yes it's always on our mind, yes we're always dealing with it, but it's only a small part of us. We have so much more to us. I don't think it's that weird that you don't post it on your personal--

Laura: Yes, I don't think it's weird.

Brec: Yes, I don't. Okay, okay, I was like—

Laura: No, no, no, no, no.

Brec: The more I thought about it, it's like no because—yes I'm always thinking about it, but that'd be weird if like—

Laura: No, but that's my point too, I just don't identify. Yes, I just don't.

Craig: You don't identify as a diabetic?

[laughter]

Laura: I don't go through my day like, "I'm going to post my blood sugar on my story." I don't even do that on my other account. That's why I was saying I was a bad example because I post about other people's diabetes on that account. That's what I was saying. It's different, but I would say there are a lot of people that do just the diabetes and just their personal.

Craig: How old were you when you were diagnosed? Remind us.

Laura: Around four or five or six.

Craig: You've had type 1 the longest of us.

Laura: It's an ongoing joke because I never know what year I was diagnosed.

Jennifer: You were four. Give yourself a break.

[laughter]

Craig: In a weird way, it's almost more of your identity because you've had it longer. Do you remember before diabetes?

Brec: I think it's crazy being diagnosed at 20, that's my age now. I was eight. I don't remember a life without diabetes. I just don't. I cannot imagine having to live my life up until now and having to flip it over on its head.

Laura: That's what I'm saying. I agree.

Brec: I can't imagine that.

Jennifer: See, and the same, it goes both ways? Does that sound weird? Is it weird to use that term, phrase? It goes both ways because I can't imagine having a childhood where I constantly had to check my blood sugar, constantly having to—having any time where I don't remember not having it. I remember at the Children's Congress, JDRF, I was talking to somebody because it was both: there were both that were diagnosed at 13, there were people that were diagnosed at one month, it goes both. I remember thinking, “What's better?” I was like, "No, they both suck." There is not a good time.

Laura: I'm going to say why I don't know anything else and I feel like I prefer it that way because I have nothing to compare my life to. Then when I meet people at are—I'm like, "You remember your last meal where you didn't have to count your carbs, now you do and I don't."

Jennifer: I don't also because I didn't think about it. You know what I mean? I didn't think about, "This is my last meal," like I was walking the green mile or something.

Craig: “I’m so normal. Man, it's so great being normal and being able to eat without thinking about it. I love going for a run without worrying about what my blood sugar might be.”

Andrew: Or a walk. I'm just going to walk around the mall.

Laura: Or sleeping.

Andrew: Or sleeping. Sometimes I will look at people who will be just like going in there and ordering anything on the menu, just boom, they're eating and all my friends and I'm looking, "You fricking suck. You don't even have—" In my own head, I'm looking, I'm like, “Just-

Laura: And we get mad at them.

Andrew: Yes, I'm just looking so mad, I'm like, "You don't even get it, dude."

Craig: “You don't appreciate it.”

Andrew: Yes, “You should say thanks.”

Craig: “You don't appreciate your pancreas.”

Andrew: I'm sitting here, picturing their pancreas and they’re just smiling, dude’s got a little umbrella, got a little drink. It's so frustrating.

Jennifer: Meanwhile our pancreas is just like—

Andrew: That dude’s dead.

Brec: That's really high. I imagine mine like a raisin, like shrunken up raisin. I don’t know.

Andrew: It's shriveled up now.

Jennifer: I keep thinking mine's going to grow legs and just start running away from me.

Andrew: It probably already has.

Jennifer: It has for sure.

Craig: I guess it feels like, and I really hate this word, like your “brand,” and not in the sense of like—

Jennifer: Yes, I'm with you, I hate that word too. That and “synergy.”

Craig: We do have a lot of great synergy here tonight though. On one hand, there's the brand that you have as your profession, your brand as an actor. This is how you present yourself, these are the roles you do, this is how you look on your Instagram or in your public life because that plays a part in your careers now. When you're going for a job, they say, "How many followers does she have? What's her demo? Who reaches her?" Then, on the other hand, it's like we have our own personal brands on how we represent ourselves: the way we dress, the things we do, what we eat. And then also how diabetes plays a part in that brand. For me, I was diagnosed at 13, never talked about type 1 to pretty much anyone. I didn't really know anyone. It was only after doing something with my endo actually, it was filming a video for her and I met other people with Type 1. "This is so great."

Then, that kind of like me coming out as a type 1, that became part of my brand. Now here we are at a live podcast taping. I think there's that balance of, if you're going to post, if you're not posting on your personal, is that just you don't want that, I don't know, that image of being a person with type 1?

Laura: Didn't we talk about that too on an episode of like, when you're diagnosed, do you now have the responsibility of being an advocate? If you haven't listened to that episode.

Brec: I like that. I’ve never heard that.

Laura: There's no right answer to that question. It's not black and white.

Craig: I think one of the points I made in that episode was like, by having it, have you become an advocate? Whether you want it or not, you being a person with this disease now represents a portion of that disease.

Laura: You're now everyone's friend with diabetes who they're going to use as an example when they're telling stories.

Craig: When you were diagnosed, Andrew, and you knew one person with type 1, there could be someone and you're that person. Do you feel like you, I don't know, have to be a certain way because of that? I don't know, because that could influence them.

Andrew: That's a great question. That's a great question. I still feel like, for me, I like what you said, as you come out about diabetes, it becomes a part of your brand. It's like, "I want people to know," like you said, and it's because of exactly what I was saying to also provide hope and to hopefully make people's lives with type 1 a little bit better. I actually really liked something that you said. I can't stop thinking about it. It was so cool just a second ago she goes, "Yes, diabetes is like this really big thing, but it's actually a really small percentage of who we are."

I'm like, "Whoa." It's like I just see this whole art piece, this huge explosion of craziness and chaos and all of a sudden it's not a big deal, just brush it off. That's pretty cool. I don't fully know how to answer that, man.

Craig: It's funny because it's such a small part of our life, but it does carry a larger weight than maybe what it really is. It's a small part of who we are, but it does carry a lot of weight in our life.

Laura: It takes so much of our time.

Andrew: It does.

Brec: It's a large burden.

Craig: It's like a little bit in all of our life. It's like sprinkled over everything.

Andrew: Yes.

Laura: That is good.

Andrew: That's really good.

Craig: It might not be: if you exercise, it's not, you're thinking about diabetes the whole time, but it's like this little sprinkle on top of your exercise. It's a little sprinkle when you eat. It's a little sprinkle when you go on a date and you talk about it. Yes, it's a little bit of diabetes sprinkled like fairy dust, but awful.

Jennifer: On the point being part of your brand, I'm going to switch over to saying “identity” because every time I say “brand,” I have a small brain bleed.

Craig: I'll accept that. I'll accept that substitution.

Jennifer: Just is small, like, aneurism. I think living your life, worried about how you come across is a slippery slope. I think it's up to the individual when they're diagnosed with any chronic illness or they go through anything in their life, I think it is up to them and it has to be a personal preference as to how they want to proceed with that. I think it's a very slippery slope of doing anything for other people. I know for me, this piggybacks too on having the different Instagram accounts or whatever, I choose to have it all in one because it's a part of who I am. It isn't who I am. You know what I mean?

People may feel differently, because I was diagnosed later. Again, that's—I can't control what people think, but the thing is, I don't—I try not to, and I'm human, so I'm not perfect, but I try not to do anything with the intention of, "Oh my gosh, what are people going to think?" Because I think that's a very slippery slope. I think you have to tread really carefully with that. I think to approach it of like, "Well, I'm a type 1 diabetic," or, "I'm this, I'm that. It's part of my brand, how are people going to perceive that?" I think that's dangerous.

I think you just have to go, "You know what, I either want to be public with this, or I don't, and I'm just going to be myself publicly with it. People can either take it or leave it. I'm not going to be everybody's cup of tea, but I'll be somebody's cup of whiskey and that's fine."

Brec: I find it very interesting how you said when you're diagnosed, does that obligate you to be an advocate? I think it is your choice, like how you were saying, but you get to choose how you want to take it and what everyone else thinks is what they think. I try to do that. It's not like I walk into an audition and I'm like, "Hey, I'm a diabetic, so if you book me, my blood sugar might go low in the middle of a scene, and we'll have to take a break." That is not how I lead. But, I walk in, I'm myself and then when I show up on the set, I'm like, "Hey, I'm a type 1 diabetic. If my blood sugar starts going, I might have to take a little break." It's like I choose when and how I want to use it. How I want to say it, but I don't necessarily lead with it.

Laura: Yes, like I said, there's no right or wrong.

Brec: Because if you shove it down someone's throat, you're not going to get anywhere.

Jennifer: Yes, I agree with that.

Craig: What's the reaction like, when you say, or you're on set, "I might go low," then you're in another scene, and you go low?

Laura: Has anyone ever had a negative reaction to you saying that?

Craig: Yeah, does the director roll his eyes and say, "Ugh, she's low again."

Brec: I've never gotten that, but this last show I was on, I have a super suit. My super suit is really small, it shows my midriff, It shows my legs, and I was really worried about my Dexcom. I've never had a pump or Omnipod, but when I was getting the super suit made, I was like, "I have my Dexcom." They're like, "Well, yes, but can't you take that off?" I was like, "I can, but I'm not going to." They're like, "Okay, well, we'll work around it."

That's the one time where I—once again, I felt apologetic. I was like, "I'm sorry, but I can't." Or, "I don't want to." Not even that I can't, I just don't want to. That was—it took me a little bit to—I just had to ground myself and be like, "Brec, this isn’t—you didn't choose this. You're doing the best you can."

Craig: You stopped apologizing for it.

Brec: Yes, like I said, that's a struggle I've really been trying to catch myself on.

Craig: How did they—Can you tell us how they worked around it?

Brec: I freaking wore my Dexcom. It shows. I watched a couple clips, and you see a little box, I'm like, "Yeah!"

[applause]

Craig: Do you guys feel, since you've been diagnosed, the way you have presented diabetes has changed over time?

Jennifer: I think you can't help it.

Craig: How do you think it's changed?

Jennifer: I think that you can't help it, but changing, that's not right English, but sure. You get what I mean. Because you change. You know what I mean? You change and I think that the disease changes. I think—because I know there's sometimes it just—you shift and it shifts, and you have to shift with it. I think it can't help but change.

Craig: Do you—can you think back at—do you think you're posting or talking about it differently now, before—not if you are, but do you know how you are?

Jennifer: Honestly, I'm more interested to hear from you guys. Because, like I said, I feel like such a noob. I know it's been six years, but still—I know I've changed a lot, but I know I've only publicly been out with diabetes for two. I'm more interested to see what you guys have to say about that.

Andrew: Yeah, for me, it's definitely changed. Like I said, I've very rarely posted or even mentioned it for a lot of years. I think for me, what causes the change in how I present, and how I post, and how I talk about diabetes in general, is just when I'm finding something that I feel is valuable to other people. If I'm learning something new, and I'm like, "Oh, my gosh, this is really helpful for me." I think it's important for me to share this because it might help others too. I think so far—because, like I said, I've always started really being very open about it for the last six months or so.

Even though I've lived 21 years with it. It's like—it's just, I think like you said, it's just like, you—"Well, this is an eye opener here, let me see if I can open, or hopefully I can open some other people's eyes." Get back to me in a year.

[laughter]

Andrew: Then maybe—

Laura: We'll do this again next year, and we'll ask you all the same questions.

Jennifer: Yes, well, we're learning together though.

Andrew: Yes, totally.

Jennifer: Yes. You gave us the best tutorial before we started this, me and Brec.

Brec: The loop.

Andrew: I gave her a rundown on DIY loop.

Jennifer: Yeah, the closed loop.

Andrew: I was showing her closed loop.

Brec: So is the question: how my experience with diabetes has changed? Or the posting about it?

Craig: Or maybe both? Or has your experience with diabetes changing, impacted how you talk about it? And what you say about it?

Brec: Yes. Because I was diagnosed when I was eight. I always understood it to an extent, I tested my blood sugar. I took my shot. I was stable enough. But with age, I've learned so many other ways to take care of diabetes. Such as, diet, adding proteins and fats to meals, and that's gotten me a little bit. You said the more—If you figure it out, it gets easier. What was the thing that guy said and I was like, "I don't agree with that"?

Andrew: He said, yes, once you understand diabetes, it becomes easy. Diabetes becomes easy.

Brec: In my experience, the more I've gotten to know, actually, it's the harder it's become for me. Because I've become a lot more neurotic and type A about it, so it's on my mind so much more where I used to check my blood sugar and then go off and then, if I started feeling weird, come back to it. Right now I'm constantly checking my Dexcom. I'm constantly—because, this sounds a little pessimistic, but because of that it has become a bigger burden on my life. Each day, it's become just a little bit more because of that. I think at the beginning, I wanted to spread awareness, and now I really advocate and post about: when it's November Diabetes Awareness Month, I am like, "Donate, donate, donate." Because I want a cure more than ever. I think, when I was first diagnosed, they said five to 10 years they thought there's going to be a cure. Well, I'm coming up to 12 years in January. Are you all laughing at five to 10 years for a cure?

Andrew: Yes, because mine is over 20 at this point.

Brec: I always knew. That's so in my head, in 10 years, I was like, "Okay, I'll be 20 years old,” or 19 however, 18. I can't do math. I was like, "Great, I'll be an adult without diabetes." It just hasn't worked out that way, so now more than ever, I feel like the more research, the more funds we can have, I'm ready to get that cure. That's where my advocacy has gone towards.

Andrew: Awesome.

Laura: They're still saying the five to 10 years.

Brec: I know, but I want to believe that. I'm going to keep believing, I don't care. Call me naive.

Andrew: That's good.

Craig: I think for me, hearing you guys talk about it, and thinking of this, personal and public and where diabetes lies in your life. Maybe this is similar to you, Laura, but I feel like—I guess at first, there was no diabetes thought. It was just a thing that I did, until I met other people, and then diabetes itself, the management to some degree, but just the amount of diabetes consumption in people I know, things I do, things I advocate for, events I attend. That I almost feel, at some point, it reached a tipping point where there was so much type 1 stuff.

That not to necessarily separate my personal life from it, but I almost needed two brains to be like, "Okay, this is podcast time, think about diabetes." Then it's like, "Okay, now I'm going to go do something else, and try not to think about it all the time." Because I'm still thinking about my diabetes, but there's my micro-level diabetes and the macro diabetes and that world I'm in. It's like, "Okay, I can do a lot of this stuff," But it's like, how much of this can one person consume before they just become diabetes? They just transformed into the disease. I could be the supervillain that Brec fights.

Andrew: Diabetesman.

Laura: With You're Just My Type, I was on it so often and posting on it so often and just messaging people all day long about their diabetes. And then I’d come home and wouldn't even want to think about mine anymore because I was so focused on everyone else's disease all day. Then I needed to do that whole thing, remember, I put business hours in place where I didn't have to look at those messages once I got home.

Jennifer: The way that you guys are talking about this, I'm picturing Jeff Goldblum, like The Fly, you guys becoming like a pancreas or something. Like it's super weird.

Craig: Like a dead pancreas too.

Brec: Yeah, a shriveled up raisin.

Laura: The raisin.

Jennifer: Yes, you guys becoming like the raisin, like before, like the movie, the drive-in movie. It's really weird.

Craig: It's an interesting thought of like, at what point is there too much. Then finding that balance of being an advocate, balancing doing good, like trying to raise money, but then not necessarily doing that every day. Because you can only ask your friends and family to donate $20 so many times and then they block your email. There's like how much of that can one person do while also managing a disease that is hard to manage, if possible to manage? That you're always thinking about. It becomes two burdens: it becomes the burden of living with it and the burden of talking about trying to make the world a better place. It's like, we need someone else who doesn't have diabetes, but cares just as much.

Brec: They can take a break from it when they go home, but we don't get to, so we need them.

Jennifer: I think it's the same with anything. You can exercise too much, you can worry about your eating too much. Even the best things, with the best intentions, in too much volume can be detrimental. I think when you said balancing that, that's the key. It's the key with everything.

Laura: We forget too, that we both have a type 1 diabetes nonprofit and we have a podcast.

Brec: Thank you, guys. Honestly, thank you.

Andrew: Seriously, yeah.

[applause]

Jennifer: No, but it’s true. It's really admirable because it's not easy.

Brec: It's not.

Andrew: I was thinking the same thing as you were talking, I was like, "I could see where that line would get a lot more difficult when it becomes as much as you guys are doing. As many people as you guys are reaching." For us, I think we all kind of are similar in our social media platforms where it's like, we kind of balance out whatever percentage diabetes is, or maybe it's a little bit more sometimes a little bit less sometimes. It's like a thousand pictures of riding a motorcycle, or whatever it is that's happening, and then—

Laura: Keep it on my Instagram, obviously.

Jennifer: You might’ve been on mine.

[laughter]

Andrew: For us, we're balanced out a little bit. I think we just pick and choose that balance of how much we show with diabetes, whereas with what you guys are doing, like all-in, you know?

Laura: All the time.

Andrew: I had those thoughts first, like, "Should I go all in on this?" and then I'm like, "Well, I'll lose everybody. I’ll lose my job, so no, I probably shouldn't."

Laura: See? That's what I'm saying.

Brec: Balance is important. Just trying to find that I think is essential.

Craig: I think that's a good segue for—

Laura: The game?

[laughter]

Craig: Our next segment, yes. Speaking of taking a break.

Jennifer: Oh my God. That was so cute, you got so excited.

Craig: We talked a lot about diabetes, so we're going to be back with a game after a quick note from our sponsors. So don't go anywhere.

Brec: That's a good summary.

Craig: Laura, what happened to your old diabetes supply bag?

Laura: Didn't I tell you that I upgraded? I just received a new bag from Sugar Medical and I had no idea what a difference an organized supply case would make. There's a designated spot for everything I need and they even added a slot for use test strips. Those are what used to take up half my bag.

Craig: Wow, I'm impressed. Do they make bags for guys too?

Laura: Of course they do. They make insulated backpacks, travel bags, and purses too. You can find them at sugarmedical.com. You thought you were the organized one, didn't you?

Craig: So who here has had diabetes the shortest amount of time? Who's the most recently diagnosed?

Audience: Five months.

Craig: Five months?

Audience: Four.

Jennifer: Congratulations?

Brec: Congratulations!

Craig: Four months?

Jennifer: I’m sorry?

Craig: Come on up here in front of the stage. Who here has had type 1 the longest?

Audience: 32. 34. 45.

Laura: 45?

Audience: Yeah.

Craig: Come on.

Jennifer: Nice.

Laura: Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner, 45.

Craig: Do we have anyone better than 45?

Jennifer: Congrats.

Ella: Hello. Hi, I'm Ella.

Brec: Hi, Ella.

Andrew: Hi, Ella.

Jennifer: Hi.

Craig: How long have you had type 1?

Ella: I was diagnosed on Cinco de Mayo.

Brec: You'll always remember that.

Ella: Always remember. Fourish months.

Jerry: I'm Jerry. I was diagnosed 45 years ago at 15 years old.

Craig: You two, because of your unique statuses as having had type 1 for a very long time, and a newcomer to the club, are our team against our three panelists.

Brec: We got a nurse on our team.

[laughter]

Andrew: She knows more than the doctors.

Craig: This is how the game is going to work. It's very, very simple. I will alternate asking each team a question. Whichever team gets the most right, wins. Alright, so we're going to start with our guests, who did not volunteer for this.

[laughter]

Craig: What is the first name of Sir Banting, the man who discovered insulin? Is it Ferdinand, Ferrari, or Frederick? You can confer.

Jerry: We're decided.

[background conversation]

Craig: Who is that?

[background conversation]

[laughter]

Craig: They don't seem so sure.

Laura: Frederick.

Craig: That's right.

[applause]

Andrew: I'm like, "Please don't know, please don't know. I want this so bad, I know it."

Ella: You said it was Ferrari, one of those?

[laughter]

Craig: Alright. So for our panelists.

Jennifer: You got to get a little harder with the multiple choice.

Craig: The first wearable infusion insulin pump was invented in what year? 1973, 1977, or 1985?

Andrew: Infusible? Because I'm picturing like that very first—

Brec: The backpack?

Andrew: Yes, the big backpack. There's no way that was 70's.

Jennifer: Do you mean like a pump?

Craig: An insulin pump, yes.

Jennifer: Okay, so the first pump.

Andrew: Are we talking—and that includes the big backpack?

Craig: Yes.

Brec: What are the years again?

Andrew: The infusion site goes into your skin.

Brec: Can you use it in a sentence? I'm kidding.

[laughter]

Craig: 1973, 1977, or 1985?

[background conversation]

Craig: You don't have to whisper they can't steal it from you.

[laughter]

Andrew: We're like, "Shhh, shhh, shh, don't look. Turn around, turn around."

Brec: I don't want them to know my stupidity.

[crosstalk]

Jennifer: 77 or 85, I feel like.

Brec: I was going to say no to 73, that seems too early.

Jennifer: That's too early.

Andrew: Okay, so you guys just want to go with 77?

Brec: I say go the middle.

Andrew: Okay, we're going middle, 77.

Brec: B. 1977.

Craig: It was 1973.

[crosstalk]

Jennifer: At least we had the right decade.

Craig: The first insulin was made from what animal's pancreas? Dog, chimpanzee, or pig?

Ella: We're gonna go with pig.

Craig: It was dog.

[shouting]

Andrew: That's nasty.

Craig: Yeah, Banting used a dog pancreas.

Andrew: Did they say what kind of dog?

Jennifer: Wait, didn't they use to inject pig, insulin?

Craig: They did make commercial pig insulin.

Jennifer: That's what it was. Commercially made.

Craig: It was not the first insulin. The very first shot of insulin came from a dog. What was the first company to mass-produce insulin? Was it Sanofi, Eli Lilly, or Novo Nordisk?

Andrew: Can I say it?

Jennifer: What do you think?

Brec: Go for it.

Andrew: Just say it.

Brec: No, you go for it because I don't know what company you decided on.

Jennifer: We'll go with Eli Lilly.

Craig: That's correct.

[cheering]

Craig: What was the first US state to cap insulin prices? Colorado, Minnesota, or Oregon?

[background converation]

Craig: Ella seems confident.

Ella: Okay, I don't want to seem confident, but is it Colorado?

Craig: Correct.

[cheering]

Craig: When you're experiencing a low blood sugar, what are the recommendations you should follow? Eat one glucose tap every minute for 15 minutes?

[laughter]

Craig: Two, take 100 grams of carbs, eat 100 grams of carbs and then take insulin?

Brec: What the heck?

Jennifer: No way.

[laughter]

Craig: Or three, eat 15 grams of carbs, every 15 minutes until you’re back in range.

Jennifer: It's three.

Andrew: 15 over 15. That's correct.

Laura: That was so easy.

Jennifer: If I'm becoming a nurse and I don't know that. Then what am I doing here?

Andrew: So the 100 is wrong?

Brec: If you ate 100 carbs every time your blood sugar went low, you would be clinically obese, but that's—

Andrew: Let’s talk about what really happens because it's like you get those lows in the middle of the night. You're like, [munching]. I’m like 15 over 15? That was 100 over one.

Jennifer: You’re like I don't eat a packet of Skittles. What?

Craig: The difference is what you do versus what you're supposed to do.

Jennifer: Exactly.

Craig: Alright, so I didn't think we were going to get to the tiebreaker. It's the toughest one. The Beta Cell podcast has four different shows. Beta Cell, Out Of Range, Thicker Than Water and The 3s. There are only two people, besides me, who have been on more than one of them. Can you name both people?

Jennifer: Like guests or?

Craig: Like guests.

Brec: Diabetics, I'm guessing

Craig: They're both diabetics.

Brec: Do I know them?

Craig: One of them, this is a hint, was here tonight.

Jennifer: I think I know who it is.

Craig: You got to get both though.

Jennifer: I have to get both? Shoot.

Brec: Do I know both their names?

Ella: I think I know who they are, but I'm nervous.

Craig: Okay, this team's got it.

Brec: Okay. Is one of them your Aunt Laura?

Craig: Yes, it is.

[cheering]

Ella: Okay, I feel really creepy, but is the other James Mansfield?

Craig: It's not.

[shouting]

Andrew: What if we have the other one?

Craig: Do you guys know the other one?

Andrew: I think so. Dave Holmes and your Aunt Laura?

Craig: Yes, that's it.

Brec: So proud of you guys.

Craig: You guys were close.

Jennifer: That wasn’t a bad guess. We couldn’t have done it without you.

Brec: Well, you got one.

Laura: One of our two ain’t bad.

Craig: For being our unwilling participants, we have a prize for you two: we have two bags from Sugar Medical.

Brec: Oh my gosh I’m jealous.

[applause]

Laura: Craig, you run a lot, right?

Craig: Yes. Why?

Laura: Sometimes I worry that something might happen to you and no one will know that you have type 1.

Craig: Well you'll be happy to hear that I just got a MyID watch band that can be scanned by a first responder and five seconds they'll have all my medical information. Plus, I have a band that says type 1 diabetes as well.

Laura: Whoa, one little watch accessory does all of that? Can I get one too?

Craig: Of course. Everyone in the audience today is getting one as well.

[applause]

Craig: That's it for this week's episode out of ranges of production of Beta Cell and is produced by me and Laura.

Laura: Craig does all of our recording and editing.

Craig: Subscribe to Beta Cell wherever you listen to podcasts to get Out of Range download automatically onto your phone every week.

Laura: Love what we do? Support us on Patreon and we'll send you some swag. Visit patreon.com/betacell for more info.

Craig: I'm Craig.

Laura: And I'm Laura.

Brec: And I'm Brec.

Jennifer: And I'm Jennifer.

Andrew: I'm Andrew.

All: And this is Out of Range.

[applause]

Craig: Now we have one last special act. If you listen to The 3s or Thicker Than Water and our end credits every week, you hear Nina's voice. And now she has come here grace us with a live song.

Nina: Hi everybody. As requested by Craig, this is One as covered by Aimee Mann.

[music]

One is the loneliest number that you'll ever do

Two can be as bad as one, its the loneliest number since the number one

No is the saddest experience you'll ever know

Yes, it’s the saddest experience you'll ever know

Because one is the loneliest number that you'll ever do

One is the loneliest number that you'll ever know

It's just no good anymore since you ran away

Now I spend my time making rhymes of yesterday

Because one is the loneliest number that you'll ever do

One is the loneliest number that you'll ever know

One is the loneliest number

One is the loneliest number

One is the loneliest number that you'll ever do

One is the loneliest number much, much worse than two

One is the number divided by two

One

One

[applause]