The Dynamic Duo

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Craig: From Beta Cell and JDRF, this is Lunch Break, the midday live streaming show about people living with type 1 diabetes. I'm your host Craig Stubing. We have people watching on Beta Cell's Facebook page as well as JDRF's Twitch channel. We'll be taking questions from our viewers at the end, so just send them away in our chat and we'll get to them. I'm here today with Brec Bassinger and Cameron Gellman who both have type 1 diabetes and are going to be on Stargirl. You guys excited?

Brec: Yes, it's a month and two days until it comes out.

Craig: Is it weird that it's coming out during this? I'm sure you didn't imagine all of your press stuff would be from your bedroom.

Brec: For sure. There had definitely been talks of a premiere and talks of a New York press tour and clearly none of that is happening, but, that being said, I feel there's a positive aspect of it as well in that people are stuck at home and they want new content, they want new distractions. I'm almost happy that it's coming out during this time because I hope it can be that light of positivity for at least one person going through this hard time.

Craig: Give me the pitch. What is Stargirl?

Brec: Stargirl follows this girl named Courtney Whitmore, who moves from Los Angeles to a small town in Nebraska. She finds out that her stepfather used to be part of this superhero group and has kept it hidden. With that, she ends up finding this cosmic staff that hasn't worked for anyone in years and it works for her for some crazy reason. She decides it's her destiny, her job to get that superhero group back and running and continue the legacy.

Craig: Remind everyone when it's going to premiere. When can we watch it?

Cameron: I got you. May 18th, 19th, first on DC universe, which is an awesome online platform for comics and old cartoons and our show. Then, the next day on the CW channel.

Brec: The next day it comes out free on the CW app.

Cameron: Boom.

Craig: Brec, you were on our live show last September and you were talking about Stargirl and how you had actually been introduced to Cameron but never followed up on it and then you found out he was also going to be on the show with you.

Brec: Yes. We have this mutual friend who he had filmed a show with, named Christina. While they were filming the show, Christina reached out to me and she was like, "Hey, one of my cast members is a diabetic," and it was right around the JDRF walk and I get this random email, or not email, text, 21st century. This random text and this guy said, "Hi, I'm Cameron, I'm a diabetic. Christina gave me your number, are you going to the-- It was like this long, long email and I wasn't able to go to the walk that year and it fell through. We never met and I didn't really put it together, I think, until we got each other's number, at the first cast meetup or whatever. We had had a past text history and I'm like, "Oh my gosh, this is that kid who we met but didn't meet and now we're filming a show together.

Craig: That's so crazy.

Cameron: So crazy.

Craig: You guys were both diagnosed when you were young. Brec, you were eight? Cameron, you were 13, right?

Cameron: I had just turned 13.

Craig: Was it hard for you, Cameron, at first, at that age?

Cameron: Yes, extremely. You've just become a teenager and I was still in middle school, but like end of middle school, transitioning to high school. It was just a hard time, socially, to be myself and also deal with my diabetes. I did the not-greatest thing and tucked it away and pretend that I didn't have it while I was with my friends. Then, you're missing doses and when you eat pizza and chocolate and whatever-- It was really challenging to navigate because I was insecure about it and because people around me didn't understand it and made jokes about it and it took me a while to understand that it was something to be proud of and just that it was what it was. At first, it was very jarring.

Craig: When did you come clean about it? It doesn't seem like a thing you should have to come clean of. It's not a bad thing.

Cameron: Pretty much right when I got diagnosed, they tell you at the hospital, or your doctor tells you, you have to wear something. Your choice, are you going to wear a little pendant, or are you going to wear a bright red thing on your wrist? Either way, there's got be a notification and you have to let your nurses know and all these different people. I told my close group of guy friends pretty much right away. After that, it was just something I think everybody forgot about because you couldn't see it on me. The first thing my friend said to me was, "We don't get it. You're not fat." Then, after that, they forgot about it. They'd make jokes, and it was kind of friendly and kind of frustrating, when I would give myself an injection or whatever. Generally speaking, they just forgot about it because they couldn't see it on my body.

Craig: Brec, do you remember being a kid being eight, nine, 10 and having it, feeling different?

Brec: I definitely remember having it. The funny thing is I don't remember not having it.

Cameron: That's crazy. I don't either actually-- It's funny that you--

Brec: Really?

Cameron: Even though it was five later than yours, every day since has been such a mission. I don't remember not injecting myself and not checking my sugars--

Brec: You just imagine going and waking up and eating oatmeal and your blood sugar not spiking and not having to test it and give yourself-- that boggles my mind, that any person lives that life.

Cameron: Or even getting up and your first thought not being, "I hope my sugar is great."

Brec: Or like, "Oh crap, it's not great. Let me give a shot."

Craig: No, you're right Cameron. I don't really remember either. I remember not having to give shots kind of, because I know there was a point where I didn't, but it wasn't like a memory of me not doing something like I don't remember all the times I didn't go to Disneyland because there's not that memory there to not remember. It just feels like it's been forever. I will say, I think over time it doesn't seem as bad. It just becomes part of the routine like brushing your teeth or putting on fresh socks.

Brec: I literally can't imagine not doing it. It really is just part of my life, for sure.

Craig: I imagine that being on a TV show, it's very stressful. Does that make it hard to manage type 1?

Brec: The hours we work are absolutely ridiculous. I don't know if I talked about this on the last podcast, but Monday, we would start at 5:00 AM and we worked, traditionally, like a 12-14 hour a day. So we worked 5:00 AM to 7:00 PM. That was like our traditional Monday. By the time Friday came around me, we had what were called Fraterdays where we would come in at 5:00 PM and we would leave at 7:00 AM, and then Monday morning again it was 5:00 AM. So your body had no consistency. Of course, that reflected in our numbers. Also, the crafty, while it was great and delicious, was not what I am used to eating. I know it's not what's Cameron is used to eating because I feel like he follows a more contained diet than I do. I'm a little crazy. It definitely took some transitioning for me for sure.

Craig: What kind of foods were you getting? I'm sure it wasn't low-carb, sugar-free, gluten-free pancakes.

Brec: That's the thing. We're both celiac as well, so we bond in that aspect too. The first group of people I walked into at the set, I'm like, "I need to talk to the catering crafty people." I was like, "Hey, I'm celiac. We've got to have gluten-free options for-- Cameron's celiac, as well, you've got to take care of us." They took care of us on the gluten-free side, maybe not on the diabetes side because they would bring in gluten-free pooled pork sandwiches, delicious stuff. Stuff I wouldn't normally eat.

Craig: Cameron, diabetes is a disease loves routine.

Cameron: Yes.

Craig: Waking up the same day, eating the same amount of carbs, doing the same amount of exercise at the same time. Even then, even if you were a robot, your blood sugars would be different every day.

Cameron: Absolutely.

Craig: Then, when you're suddenly working in the middle of the night, when your body's used to sleeping, what do you do?

Cameron: The first thing I feel like that I did was talk about it with Brec, which was such a blessing because all of a sudden you have someone there that's a sounding board that completely understands what you're feeling emotionally and the frustration. For me, that brings my stress down, feeling heard about something and also feeling like I have someone who has the knowledge to bounce ideas and suggestions off of is amazing. I've never worked with another type 1 diabetic ever, especially not so closely. To hear Breck suggest maybe switching the way that I was giving my longer-lasting insulin or to break it up in two, or that I might need to dose 30 minutes out instead of 10 minutes out for the meal that I was going to have. All of those things were super helpful. Then, I had an amazing team. I was working with an ayurvedic practitioner the whole time I was there who was suggesting herbal remedies that would bring my sugars down. When they'd go really high during the middle of the night, I was drinking cinnamon tea. That was huge for me. I sometimes would step back to my trailer to do 10, 15 minutes of intense cardio that always brought my sugar down, but the reality was, me being up that late and me eating meals at two or three or four in the morning, it was never great. I was always able to contain it, but it was tough.

Brec: I have to say, I learned so much from Cameron as well. He has these cinnamon pills and I didn't know, but cinnamon is a natural way to make your body more sensitive to insulin. I had no idea, but you really can see the effects, and also, like I said, Cameron does follow a stricter diet than I ever did. I was always like, "Diabetes won't change anything. I'm going to eat cinnamon rolls every single day," which is fun and great, but being with Cameron, I realized having a more well-balanced diet helps blood sugars so much. Just having that person to bounce ideas off of-- While I've been very involved with JDRF, I never had someone so close to me that I could do that with and it was such a life-changing experience, for sure.

Craig: It's definitely one of those things where it doesn't stop you from doing anything. You can run a marathon, you can eat a whole tray of cinnamon buns, you can be a superhero, but our bodies are still bodies. They still follow the same rules as a normal body does and a normal body wants eight hours of sleep, six glasses of water a day, vegetables, fruits. When you do that, your body works better. I think because we have to do so much work that our body's not doing, it just makes those swings more obvious. We see when we're out of sync.

Brec: We have proof that doing those things helps your body. We can visually see our Dexcom or blood sugar trend. I feel like it probably does help everyone, they just don't have that visual representation.

Craig: No, I think everyone needs a diet buddy they work with that they can just go over in between meetings or in between takes and just be like, "What's your blood sugar? What should I do?"

Cameron: It's super important to have someone reminding you that your system is unique because eight hours of sleep, fruits and vegetables, and water, those are going to benefit everybody, but we also all have different ancestry and genealogy and our bodies digest things differently and having someone to suggest a different-- "Maybe you work out at this time and your sugar won't spike or eat your honey chews at this time before the workout." Just those little things that can completely change the game for you and make an unenjoyable experience like working out, where you're doomed to go low every time or, let's say, even waking up for a week and you just keep having low, to have someone to be like, "I don't know," and then they say, "Oh my gosh, I just graduated out of that and here's what I changed." More often than not, it was stuff that worked for me, and then the little things that you do do differently, it just make your own beautiful, unique-- your own diabetics.

Craig: I think that's a very good point. I've experienced the same thing where it's not just being part of the community as a whole. I know you guys both are involved with JDRF and advocacy and fundraising, but having the personal connection, someone you can just talk to who understands, I think it makes a huge difference with being able to live healthy and live normally and not feel so weird.

Brec: Craig, are you in Los Angeles?

Craig: Yes.

Brec: Okay, so you've been quarantined.

Craig: And you guys both?

Brec: Yes.

Cameron: Yes.

Craig: Have you guys stayed in touch?

Brec: We do social-distancing yoga. We just started this week where we go and meet in a very open area, say six feet apart, and just watch-- don't touch, but just do some yoga, help our blood sugars, talk, vent.

Craig: What other things have you guys done to pass the time and not-- Because it's hard, just sitting and snacking all day on your blood sugars, I've noticed.

Cameron: Absolutely. I think the park that Brec is talking about has just been my saving grace. I never took the time, as a busy person, ever to just go to the park. As far as I'm concerned, I didn't even know where they were in Los Angeles. Then, I found one that's very much not shut down except for the recreational areas and the sun is always out and it's this huge area. Like Brec said, we've been taking yoga mats and you just play a Bluetooth speaker and listen to core power or whatever.

Brec: Random people will start joining in. They'll be like 12 feet behind and start doing yoga poses with us. It's amazing.

Cameron: It's fun to go to the park, safely of course, and see people continuing to live their lives because this thing has been such a paralysis for our country and for the world. I think it has everyone feeling such a sense of fear that they're not allowed to do anything. I've had a lot of friends and people on Instagram ask like, "Are you sure you should be outside," or "Isn't that sending the wrong message?" I think that you have to find a balance of taking care of your mental health and also adhering to social distancing. The park has been that balance for me.

Brec: I know the first week I was quarantined-- I quarantined for a week before it was mandatory and I didn't work out because I was used to going hiking every day and running. Normally, my in-range on my Dexcom is between 70 and 80. I would say that's what it-- It never goes below 60, but that's probably average. For that first week that I was quarantining and trying to abide by every little strict thing, my blood sugar in range, I think got down to 27%. It was so bad because my blood sugars were just high and it's at that point I was like, "Okay, Brec, for your health, you have to go on walks, you have to do these things. This is what helps you personally," and then so I started doing workouts indoors, trying to find different ways to just get my steps in because that genuinely helps me and so that was definitely a transition I had to take during this time, but it's back in range now. We're doing better.

Craig: Do you guys feel nervous at all?

Brec: I did for a while. I feel like there's good days and bad days where I feel more anxious about it, but I feel like being well-informed and taking the precautions, like wear the gloves, wear the mask, stay six feet apart. Also, I live by myself, so I have to go to the grocery store and get my own groceries, I have to do these things. I feel like if you do your best, that's all you can do with anything.

Cameron: Same for me. I think I definitely have days where-- or it depends on the environment. I had to go to Home Depot a couple of days ago and there was a massive line and people were spaced out and seeing everyone in gloves and a mask, it just does feel a little like Mad Max-y. I feel really safe at the park that I go to and it's one of so few environments that I'm spending time in. I see the same people every single day and everyone seems to understand the privilege of going there and no one's abusing it. That's been really cool because I did hear so many stories about people filling beaches and partying still. The park is definitely not empty, but it's very coupled off, little families or a couple, or people doing group workouts like we did where there are 10 of them in a huge circle with a speaker in the middle. I'm trying to navigate that anxiety as calmly as possible. I know that it's normal but also know that there isn't an airborne zombie virus. It's really severe what we're going through, but it's not that, even though some people do think that being out in the air at all will give you the virus.

Brec: I feel like it's a person-to-person and as long as you stay as well-informed as you can and then take the precautions that you feel are respectful to others and yourself.

Craig: You both have celiac. Cameron, Brec has called you out for having a much more strict diet than her. Has it been hard finding the foods you want, eating healthy, keeping your routine?

Cameron: The celiac came right after the type 1. Whereas I know for Brec, it was really very recent and so it was just part of the transition of having type 1 for me. Definitely, there have been times where I felt super limited, just as someone who is athletic and is always trying to push my body to see how much I can grow it or whatever, how good I can feel. It has been hard to find exciting foods, you do run out if it's all meat and veggies and fruit, but I love cookbooks and I seek those out a lot and just go to make dinner and flip to a random page and go, "Oh, that's challenging. That'd be interesting." Then, I met Brec who was like just the queen of cooking and baking and was like, "I've had this a couple of months and I have made these 40 things." I was like, "I've made zero of those." She was an amazing influence for me and was being like, "You should push yourself more to have treats and enjoy yourself." That's awesome.

Brec: I'm always about enjoying myself.

Craig: Yes. I'm noticing a trend here with Cameron being very strict and Brec pushing those boundaries a little bit.

Brec: That's why I feel we're the perfect pair because sometimes I hear him and I'm like, "Okay, Brec--" I feel I have found so much more of a middle ground being around him. I truly do feel that way.

Cameron: Same for me.

Craig: That's awesome. Brec, you actually started a Instagram account. Am I allowed to out you for having this?

Brec: Please do. I use that Instagram more than my normal Instagram.

Craig: What's the handle?

Brec: @glutenfreefoody. "Foody" spelled with a "y" because "foodie," but with an "ie" was already taken.

Craig: Yes. I follow you. You show yourself cooking all these awesome gluten-free recipes.

Brec: Being diagnosed with that was-- This sounds weird, but it was so much harder than the diabetes diagnosis. I think it came with age, just because I had 20 years of this where I was allowed to do and then having that-- I told Jennifer I commend her for being diagnosed at such a late age. I can't imagine that. She always said, "I can't imagine being diagnosed at eight." I don't know, apples and oranges, whatever side. Once again, I got on the side I'm like, "I'm not changing anything. I'm going to do everything in my power to--"

Craig: I've heard that too. My aunt Laura, she was diagnosed with type 1 just last year when she was six years old, and six months later she became-- Well, we don't know if she's celiac, we know she's gluten intolerant and she's mentioned that's much harder because it's much more limiting. With diabetes, we have the tools, you can take insulin. You can go for a run, you can do that. With gluten, you can't just take a pill and then eat pancakes.

Cameron: There's something called Gluten Guardian that I-

Brec: But if you are celiac, it does not work.

Cameron: If you're celiac, it just gives you a shot not to have the same reaction is all that I've found. I think it breaks down the gluten so that it's at least a little bit more, I guess, tolerable.

Brec: Maybe so your symptoms aren't as bad, but you're still getting the-

Cameron: Yes. You still have it in your system. You still have to move it through your digestive tract, unfortunately. You were saying there isn't a pill, there barely is, but I wish that there was a magic-- you could take it before a meal and eat whatever you want. Because, you're right, it is in someone else's hands. Diabetes is like, yes, your stress might affect it, but you can deep breathe or your sugar goes high and you go on a jog or whatever and it's in our control mostly. Celiacs is like, yes, trusting anyone that serves you anywhere to clean everything and wear different gloves and really take cross-contamination seriously. A lot of people, especially in Los Angeles, think it's like a fashion trend.

Brec: It is for a lot of people.

Cameron: Which is totally respectable, but for a celiac to go into a restaurant and say that you're gluten-free or that you need it because the allergy, it doesn't always carry weight. Then, they bring you something that clearly isn't gluten-free or there's bread right on top of your salad and you're like, "I can't have that."

Craig: Yes. They really don't understand. I guess that's a really interesting point. One of the nice things about diabetes is that on one hand, it sucks because it's all on us. We have to be the ones making the decision. On the other hand, it's very empowering because we have the power to manage it well. It's not up to someone else. You don't have to go to a doctor and say, "Please adjust my medication." You can decide, "I need more insulin now. I need less insulin now. I need to go for a run."

Brec: It's so funny. That just reminded me of when I was in middle school. I was in a public school system and while I loved my school and it was great, they gave little to no freedom to diabetics and at that point, I had diabetes for six years, so I felt very confident. I probably knew more about it than the nurse who didn't have diabetes, but they were so limiting. I wasn't allowed to take my medication outside of the nurse's office. If my blood sugar was low, they would not let me leave the office until it was back over a hundred. I remember going to high school and I did have to get a doctor's approval note, but they let me just take my medicine on my own. I could just go to the bathroom and do it. It felt so free and so empowering and liberating. I just remembered that, made me think of that.

Craig: When I was in high school, I had to keep all of my diabetes supplies in the nurse's office, my meter, my insulin, everything. I couldn't carry that with me, which is really weird now because I always have it on me now. It never leaves my sight. Now, I check my blood sugar on my watch like every five minutes. I was only checking it once a day, in the middle of the day, unless I felt low. I would have to tell the nurse what my blood sugar was and they would log it. Eventually, I realized that if it was still in range but a little high or a little low, I knew I could give my myself more insulin. If I'm 180, I just give myself an extra unit before lunch and I go and I find-- but they would make me stay and wait until my blood sugar was back, so I started lying because I said, "I know how to manage this disease. I don't need to sit here."

Brec: It is like lunch is our one social time, do not take it away from us. I remember bawling one day because my blood sugar was out. She's like, "I'm sorry, you can't go to lunch today. You have to sit in here with me." I'm like, "Let me go be with my friends. I'm fine." It looks like a girl who's 11 years old named Lucy was just diagnosed today. Hi, Lucy. If you're watching this, hello, I'm sorry for the diagnosis but also congratulations on entering this wonderful, beautiful family. Hello.

Craig: Nothing to be scared about. We're all normal. We don't bite.

Brec: Most people won't even know. I have friends that I've been friends with for five years and they'll find out I'm a diabetic. They're like, "What? How did I not know?" I'm like, "I'm really good at giving shots without you seeing, I don't know."

Cameron: You learn to do it under the table while still making eye contact with a person. That was a trick that made me feel like James Bond.

Brec: So basically you can be James Bond, you're welcome.

Cameron: But with type 1 diabetes. Also, I think you're going to find that, maybe it's Brec for you or maybe there's someone that maybe you're an athlete and you want to like identify yourself with a soccer player that has it who's like in the league right now or whatever, I guarantee you someone out there who's a couple of steps ahead of you that has it and is doing well with it. That would in a heartbeat be a resource for you if you reached out because everyone in this community is extremely empathetic and warm and knows what it's like to have been a couple of steps behind.

Craig: I think like what you were saying at the beginning, Cameron, at first it feels like something you want to hide that you should be ashamed of, that people are going to make fun of you. I think that's all in our heads. I've never had someone make fun of type 1 because once they understand what it is, people really don't care, I've noticed. If anything, they're very supportive.

Cameron: Have you found that to be true for you guys as adults or do you think that that was also true when you were kids and were diagnosed, that people were cool about it and kind?

Craig: People were cool, I think. The people I told, like my friends that I told, they were fine and the people I didn't tell, I thought they wouldn't be cool with it, but I had no reason to believe that and once people learned, they didn't care.

Cameron: For me, when I was in middle school, I don't really know. I don't remember telling a lot of people, but it was just something that people knew about. There was a, I forget the kind of doctor, but maybe it was just a GP came in to our school to have a big schoolwide assembly about sexual health. Everybody was writing, you were supposed to write questions down and fold them in a card and hand them off and they get asked. This kid just to get a rise out of me asked the question, "Type 1 diabetes is an STD, right?" The doctor read it out loud and everybody laughed and it was a whole thing.

Then, the rest of that year, we go on field trips and there were kids, not many of them, but there'd be kids that would be, "Oh, you can't sit next to me. I don't want to get your type 1 diabetes." It was not fun. I was already a confident person at the time, but it took a lot to then navigate through that and go, "Do I fight this and try to educate you or do I just understand that this is more about you wanting to make the joke and less about that?" It did inspire me to get involved in my local chapter and start informing people because no one in my family and none of my close friends had any idea what it was, how to treat it. I did realize there was lack of information. Then, there were also people who were just unkind for the sake of being unkind. If anyone is navigating that, that's watching this, everybody's got a thing and those people probably had a thing that they were dealing with too.

Craig: That's probably why they were being so hard on you because they wanted to make themselves feel better for whatever they were insecure about. That's about all the time we have for today, guys.

Brec: That was so fun. I could talk about diabetes forever.

Cameron: Yes, seriously, this was amazing.

Craig: Lunch Break is a production of Beta Cell and it's produced by me, Craig Stubing. Thanks, everyone watching and Facebook and Twitch. We've done episodes all this week. You can find that at betacellpodcast.com, on the Facebook page, and on twitch to watch all the videos we've done this week. We might even keep doing this. Just keep following us and you'll get those updates.

JDRF is the leading global organization funding type 1 diabetes research. They need your help to do the important work of improving the lives of people with type 1. You can get involved with your local chapter, or donate at jdrf.org, or if you're watching on Twitch, there's a button right there. Lastly, you guys Brec and Cameron, I'm going to put you on the spot. If your characters had type 1 diabetes, what advice would they give people?

Brec: I like it, different perspective.

Cameron: Brec, you want to-

Craig: Thrown you under the bus, Brec.

Cameron: Want to take that one, number one?

Brec: Am I Courtney or Stargirl?

Craig: You're Stargirl. What would Stargirl do?

Brec: Stargirl would be like, me goes and grabs my staff, "Have no fear, Stargirl is here, with diabetes, killing it every time." I don't know, something along that. She'd be very confident, overly confident, almost to a fault because that's just Stargirl because she's awesome.

Craig: Have you seen yet-- Have you experimented, can the staff actually cure diabetes, or is that not one of the-

Cameron: Wow.

Brec: Wow. You know, I haven't experimented-

Craig: That would have been the first thing I did.

Brec: Yes, the cosmic stuff. That would be cosmic for sure. I'll have to talk to our showrunner, Jeff, see if we can we can get that working.

Cameron: That's such a set of questions. That's like crazy.

Brec: Our man's angry.

Cameron: Yes, our man is angry. He's totally someone that drives off of impulsivity and rage. Obviously, under that is just a lot of hurt. Because I have an hour of super strength, amongst other things, it's either for one hour a day, no diabetes, and that's when I'd be my strongest or that I would have an hour where my body started regulating itself.

You know what I mean? Like, my sugars were perfect and that was part of the super strength, but I think his advice would be, unfortunately, I think he'd be like, "Get over it. Life is really hard. It's pretty much up to you if you're gonna handle it or not." I think he's pretty harsh, but he's also a team player and on the DL would be like, "You can lean on me, if you need to."

Brec: I'd like to redo mine. I feel like Courtney would be like, "We're all in this together you, you, we're a team. We got this." She's very like team spirit.

Cameron: You would totally call on our past strength and be like, "Remember when you did this and you didn't think you could overcome it, but you did and now it matters more than ever because you're a light in the world and you have to share it and you can't share it-

Brec: You make a better Stargirl than me. What the heck?

Brec: Honestly, that's you as Brec, but truly just to compliment you, Brec, you would say that and you've said that to me as Brec. You are so Courtney and so Stargirl with that positivity and confidence and that belief that we can do things together. She held our set together and was an amazing number one. It was yes, super, super exciting to see and be a part of it.

Craig: It's so cool that you guys get to work-- When you're on set you're in the Justice Society of America, but then, off set, you're like the Diabetic Society of America. You guys are a real team both on and off the set. That's really cool.

Cameron: Totally, really lucky.

Craig: Yes. Well, thanks everyone for watching. Thank you guys, for being here. Everyone, stay safe and go wash your hands.

Cameron: You too, Craig. Thank you so much.

Brec: Thank you.